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8:33 am
September 11, 2010
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Omar
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This might be an elementary question, so please forgive me.
Can a Talent/Magic Bonus vs. All Mental Attacks and Effects be combined with a Talent/Magic Bonus vs. All Harmful Spells and Spell Like Attacks and Effects? Or are they completely different?
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9:19 am
September 11, 2010
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Gimble
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The question seems a bit broad as there are yes and no answers depending on a few factors. These factors include, though may not be limited to:
1. The type of attack being made.
-A magical mental attack would most definitely invoke all the bonuses you listed subject to amount each bonus gives you. (See next factor for further details.)
-A mental attack on the other hand would only invoke the bonuses Vs. All Mental Attacks and Effects, likewise a magical attack would only invoke the bonuses Vs. All Harmful Spells and Spell Like Attacks and Effects.
2. The actual bonuses.
-The Magical Bonuses will only work up to an accumulative bonus of +50 like all other magical bonuses. So thusly if you have a +50 Magic Bonus Vs. All Mental Attacks and Effects and a +50 Magic Bonus Vs. All Harmful Spells and Spell Like Attacks and Effects, only one bonus would apply to give you your full +50 Magic Bonus to the roll.
-The Talent Bonuses on the other hand should work to their full degree as long as the factor above was met unless if the talent bonus is considered to be magical, in which case it would fall into the Magical Bonuses above.
This is my answer to the best of my knowledge and I am in no way a sanctioned GM so I hope this helps and I would be sure to keep an eye out for a response from a Blackpigeonpress employee.
The Thinking Fuarie,
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10:24 am
September 11, 2010
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Omar
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Sorry I wasn't more specific in my question.
I understand that a "spell" (Voice of Domination, for example) would have the benefit of the Mental Attack and Effects as well as Harmful Spell and Spell Like Attacks and effects bonuses. I also understand the Magic +50 limit.
I guess my question would be, "What constitutes JUST a Mental Attack and Effect"?, that doesn't come from a "spell".
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3:01 pm
September 12, 2010
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Gimble is 100% Correct. Thanks Mister for fielding the questions as always. It is good to see players helping players.
Mental Effects and Attacks include Fear Effects for one. Sure you can buy Fearless, but that is a few build points where as ring can just be bought. Also such Attacks and Effects that involve opposed Mind Savvy or Charm tests. Spell such as Aura of Safety for example. Things that help you resist harmful magical effects would not aid you in winning the opposed Savvy Test to try and strike a creature protected by an aura of safety, but things that add to resist Mental or Mind Effect and Attacks would.
So in short, Spell or Magic Resistance is good, but both are better if you want to cover all basis. Also don't be surprised if you see a few other Mental Effects that don't count as Epells or Spelll-like Effects in the near future.
Hope that clear it up for you, if not ask some more and I will be glad to answer.
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4:45 pm
September 13, 2010
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Omar
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Thank you both for your answers. Let me pose this question then.
If a Spell (ie – Aura of Safety, to use your example) pits the Caster's Core Ability (Mind, Savvy, or Charm Caster) vs. a Target's Mental Ability (Mind, Savvy, or Charm) then Talent/Magic Bonuses vs All Mental Attacks and Effects, WORK, but not Magic Resistance?
I hope I got the gist of what you have tried to explain.
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6:29 pm
September 13, 2010
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BigE
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Post edited 12:30 pm – September 13, 2010 by BigE
You got it. Magic resistance/ Spell resistance only works on Spell or Spell-like abilities that first target you (including AOE) and can can do you harm or debilitate you in some way or fashion. Not being able to attack a character that is protected by An Aura of Safety Spell is a pain in the old rump, but the spell is targeting the guy with the Aura on him. This is also why Spell or Magic Resistance does not work for the Vigor Roll to resist Drain when Casting a spell. The spell is not targeting you. You are pulling the raw power of magic through your own body and shaping it into the spell you wish to cast. This is of your own doing, It is pretty much shoving your hand into a fire to light a torch. Crazy, but effective. much like spell casting.
If you have any other questions feel free to post and I will get to them ASAP (if the mighy Gimble doesn't beat me to it.)
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